R to E "Creating your army" extract

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R to E "Creating your army" extract

Post by msk » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:45 pm

Hi Barry,

Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed reading this extract. So much so that I mentioned it on my blog and I hope you get some traffic as a result. Based on what I was able to infer from this extract, R to E looks promising.

I very much like how you've achieved a balance between pragmatism (e.g. about wriggle room for frontages) and realism (the no-go area behind artillery batteries). I also like the ideas for converging weak battalions into a regiment as a single tactical units. That nicely reflects a problem faced by many commanders post-1812.

Can't wait for some more tasters!
Martin

PS: How's Mr. Imrie getting on painting all those Frenchies?
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Post by Yermolov » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:04 pm

I agree with Martin... this is an excellent teaser for the full set of rules that I am anxiously waiting for.

Having played several rules sets where both foot and horse can hide behind artillery and then move or even charge through them, the idea of having huge, impenetrable deployment areas for the guns will make commanders think twice about gun deployment. No longer will you just deploy them at will in the middle of your line without thinking about the ramifcations of that choice. Great stuff!




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Post by barr7430 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:40 pm

Guys,

thanks very much for this feedback. Even the playtesters have not seen the rules text but only the play sheets with me providing the 'colour' detail when necessary to resolve a dispute.
I will drop in the SCALES teaser at some point soon too as folks are beginning to muster their forces and this question is actually the most common request so far.

With regards to Mr Imrie, well my scouts reliably inform me that he is approaching my house next week with 150 new Frenchies ready to base!
Put that with the wadges I've been quietly accruing since last years and I suspect we'll him the demo circuit with about 1,000 figures this year.
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Post by simon boulton » Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:41 am

Very interesting teaser. Am really looking forward to the finished product.
The section on merging weak units is sensible, as Martin said very relevant for the 1813 campaign onwards. I think the 46th Ligne would look most impressive with 44 or 45 figures in one unit!
One question about Skirmishers, are they represented by close order stands as well and depoyed/recalled from their parent unit or do you envisage them permanently deployed as skirmishers?
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Post by barr7430 » Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:17 pm

Both Simon. The section on skirmishers was originally going to be a one pager until Clarence started biting my ear about the Light Division. It is now one of the longest sections in the text running to some 6 or seven pages.
The way skirmishers are deployed is different for line troops and 'specialist light troops'
The latter category includes British Lights, Rifles, Austrian,Prussian and Russian Jaeger, Cacadores etc.
Line units can only deploy a fraction whilst the specialists have limited, quarter, half and full deployment in skirmish order whilst always retaining a relative proportion of the battalion in close order as a rallying point. I have gone to town a bit on the skirmisher rules.
Unfortunately in the big play tests so far, nobody has been deploying them!!! More a function of lack of familiarity than anything else I suspect.

I will drip in extracts and full sections of the text over the next few weeks so that interested gamers can get a flavour for the rules.

In feedback sessions I have come across the usual hobby horses but nothing fundamentally negative which is great.

The lack of total uber-ability for Guards(the Imperial Guard to be more precise) has ruffled som feathers.
Alternate Moving is another
Close Combat (melee) being all over in one turn

These have been the main points of order but not in a 'resist at all costs' way more a 'can you tell my why the rule is like that' manner :D

The bit I am most surprised and pleased about is the almost total lack of push back on the main concepts some of which I think are quite radical.

Anyway, always up for feedback and as our little playtest group will tell you

I DO CHANGE THINGS WHEN SUGGESTIONS COME ALONG

Clarence and Dave O'Brien have been very very helpful and creative with some excellent ideas which are already written in. Some sections of the rules are on their 14th or 15th rewrite! :shock:
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Post by obriendavid » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:11 pm

barr7430 wrote: I have gone to town a bit on the skirmisher rules.
Unfortunately in the big play tests so far, nobody has been deploying them!!! More a function of lack of familiarity than anything else I suspect.
No! they are just typical wargamers and fix bayonets and get stuck in.
Finesse is not one of Mr Glanvilles, Konstam's et al best qualities :lol:

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Post by valleyboy » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:43 pm

Morning Gents

Really enjoyed the notes Barry, and am eagerly awaiting their completion.
This is where I must confess to being a 15mm enthusiast with probably just under 10,000 figures (though with Eureka's new Revoloutionary range I have just taken a plunge into 28mm). :oops:

Presumably you will have some sort of amendment to allow play in 15mm and other scales, would you care to elaborate just a little please?
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Post by barr7430 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:52 pm

No problem! :D

The rules will work well with 15mm in my opinion and many of the scale anomalies which are so prevalent in 28mm will simply disappear. The main adaptations are fairly fundamental and basic:

half the base sizes and for ranges and movement convert inches to cm. That should do it. No other adaptation necessary in my opinion.

I will upload the designer notes on Scales tomorrow. This should make my thinking and research clear on movement distances, basing conventions, weapon ranges etc.

Thanks again for the interest :D
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Post by Heneborn » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:17 pm

What happend to the scales extract? :lol:
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Post by barr7430 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:50 pm

coming!!! :wink:
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Post by Heneborn » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:37 pm

Haha, thanks Barry, that was fast!
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