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Post by Churchill » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:18 pm

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Post by hwiccee » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:50 pm

Ray,

Look at the bottom of the page. You can download OOB's with the info you want.


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Post by Churchill » Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:58 pm

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Post by hwiccee » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:56 pm

Hi Ray,

There were 66 btns and 178 sqns on Marlborough's side.

92 of these sqns were Eugene's - 30 Austrians, 18 Prussian and 44 various small German states.

Eugene also commanded 18 btns of infantry which came from Marlborough's army. The Imperialist infantry was all of sieging at the time.

Marlborough had 14 British btns, 14 Prussian (11 to Eugene), 13 Hanoverian, 7 Hessian, 7 Danish (all to Eugene), 5 Dutch and 6 various small German states btns.

For cavalry he had 23 Hanoverian sqns, 21 Danish sqns, 14 Hessian, 13 British, 5 Dutch and 10 smaller German states.


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Post by Churchill » Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:57 am

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Post by Churchill » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:09 am

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Post by hwiccee » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:52 am

Thanks Ray a nice site :)
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Post by barr7430 » Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:06 pm

Ray,
All British regiments with the exception of the foot guards and the royal regiment had only a single battalion.. so you are on the money with that :D
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Post by barr7430 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:46 pm

Ray the RNBF being a Royal regiment would have red coat blue facings, I'd go for red waistcoat and either red or grey breeches...
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Post by Captain of Dragoons » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:42 pm

Hello Ray, The Foot Guards would be made up as other English battalions in your army. I would say 2 or 3 Grenadiers would be the correct number on the right flank of the battalion.

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Post by barr7430 » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:14 pm

Absolutely right Ed. You could put in three just for effect and balance but technically it would be out of proportion in terms of figure : man ratio.
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Post by Churchill » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:11 am

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Post by barr7430 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:49 am

Ray,

there is special optional rule for use of grenades in assaults on prepared positions which is really where they would have been used. In line of of battle the grenadiers would have been firing their muskets like everyone else not lobbing bombs underarm. 13 Companies in British Regiment so actually 1.5 figures is roughly a company.
I have not done army lists for the very reasons you are critical of WAB.I may later do Orders of Battle for scenarios by regiment.
The only thig you need to know for an army list in this period is

Horse : Foot ratio 1:2
Guards 10% or less of the force
Few guns!


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Post by Captain of Dragoons » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:08 pm

Hello Barry,

Guards 10% or less of the force

I not sure Barry if you are familer with Ed Mueller's webpage, he uses a verisan of Volley and Bayonet for gaming the LOA in 6mm (not my fav scale, the Grand Alliance should be fought in the Grand Scale 25/28mm but to each his own :) )

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mcnell ... rs_war.htm

Could the Guards have a higher % rate :?:

This what Mr Mueller says
This was, more than any other era I can think of, the heydey of the guards. The proportion of guard to line units in this period is unlike any other I can think of. The unique combination of the old (the 17th century and prior royal and aristocratic perogative) and the new (the modern standing army and the standardized formations and organizations), led to this, I think. The sovereign, be he a king, a duke, a prince, or an elector, would, as a matter of prestige, raise the best, often biggest, regiment--or regiments--in the army, and he would employ the state's resources to ensure that these units were kept at full strength. Instead of raising a bodyguard of horse or of foot which may fight, as in previous wars of the century, now they were raising battalions and cavalry regiments that held position in the lines of battle. Combine this with the relatively small size of the armies of the era, and you have a time period where the guard corps were very much in the thick of things. It's not that there were fewer guards during the WSS and later periods, for instance, but that the ratio of line units to guard units in the larger armies of later periods would make the proportions quite different.

Here's a good example: at the battle of Fleurus, Luxembourg had 34 infantry battalions, among them was the brigade Seguiran, which had 4 battalions of French Guards and 2 battalions of Swiss Guards--if you just count formations, 20 percent of the infantry battalions, roughly, were guard. The French weren't unique in this. Add to the number of formations the fact that guard formations were often larger than their counterpart line formations and that they were usually kept at full strength besides, and you have an idea of the central role these formations could play in the battles of the era. They weren't so much the last reserve of the army as much as they were the heart of it.

The horse of the era in general seemed to have a unique prestige, and many of the units, whether actually "guard" or not, seemed to have been considered elite or "above average" based on the trappings and trimmings of their uniforms (gold hat lace and whantnot, usually a sign of special status). In short, the most obvious case of mounted guards comes from the French, who had a large body of elite horse to draw on. The Maison du Roi represents a body of nearly 2,600 elite cavalrymen by itself; they were brigaded with the Gendarmie, who could easily increase the total to 4,000 elite horse who were committed en masse. This could represent as much as 25 percent of the total cavalry force for an army of 50,000. After 1692, the French converged all their carabinier troops from the line cavalry regiments into massed carabinier brigades, creating yet another class of elite horse. The Williamite army had its elite horse brigade with its Lifeguards (including the Dutch Guard de Paard), and even so called "minor" powers had viable household or elite cavalry contingents.
Would that put the guard element in some cases 20% to 35% :!:

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