jacobite army in exile

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:01 am

does anybody have or know where I can get any details on this? thanks to the one guy I have an order of battle and have managed to find a few of the uniform details, but have come up empty on the rest

Foot Guards - have the uniforms and colors
Dublin Regiment
Athlone Regiment
Limerick Regiment
O'Neill Regiment – have the colours
Clancarty Regiment
Queens Regiment
The Marines - have the uniforms

Horse Guards (2 tps) - have the uniforms and colours
Sheldon's Horse (2 sqns)
Galmoy's Horse (2 sqns) - have the uniforms
King's Dragoons
Queen's Dragoons

Thanks

Captain of Dragoons · Post by **Captain of Dragoons** » Sat May 24, 2008 12:16 pm

Hello Me paints good, below is a old post that I put on the forum ref the breakdown of Irish forces in France. Uniform details are hard to come by but a good bet would be red uniforms for the infantry regiments like those in the Irish Brigade.

For the dragoons below you may notice that they are called 'Dismounted' however I believe reading somewhere that the Kings and Queens both maintain one mounted Sqn.

good luck in your search

cheers
Edward

As per the topic on King's/Queen's dismounted dragoon's I have come up with a list and org chart for the Wild Geese 1691-1715. I found a lot of good info in 'A Military History of Ireland' which is on google.books

1689 Brigade Irlandaise formed in French Army, 5000
in return for French Support to James II

Regiment de Montcashel
Regiment de O'Brien
Regiment de Dillion
Regiment de Butler
Regiment de Fielding

1690 Butler's and Fielding's regts
absorbed by other three regts

Regiment de Montcashel (3 bns) Regiment de O'Brien (3 bns)
Regiment de Dillion (3 bns)

1691 by treaty of Limerick, 20000
Irish transferred to France as
James II army in exile
(infantry regts each with 2 bns
and Dragoon's with 1 bn)

Horse Guards (2 tps)
Sheldon's Horse (2 sqns)
Galmoy's Horse (2 sqns)
King's Dismounted Dragoons
Queen's Dismounted Dragoons
Foot Guards, or Dorrington's
Dublin Regiment
Athlone Regiment
Limerick Regiment
O'Neill Regiment (later
Charlemont Regt)
Clancarty Regiment
Queens Regiment
The Marines
3 independent coys (Lee's,
Rutherford's and Brown's)

1697 Jacobite army disbanded by
treaty of Ryswick

1698 reorganised in Fench Army by amalgamation of original brigade and remnants of the Jacobite army (infantry regiments single battalions)

Sheldon's Regiment of Horse later Nugent's Regiment of Horse)
Regiment de Moncashel (later Regiment de Lee)
Regiment de O'Brien (later Regiment de Clare)
Regiment de Dillon
Regiment de Dorrington (later Regiment de Rothe)
Regiment de Albemarle (later Regiment de O'Donnell, disbanded 1715, men absorbed into Lee's and Clare's Regts)
Regiment de Burke (transferred to Spanish service 1715)
Regiment de Berwick (2nd Bn raised 1703 and disbanded 1715, men absorded into 1st Bn and Rothe's Regt)
Regiment de Galmoy's (disbanded 1715, men absorbed into Dillon's Regt)

1715 brigade reorganised into one cavalry and five single-battalion regts

Nugent's Regiment of Horse (later Fitzjames)
Regiment de Rothe
Regiment de Berwick
Regiment de Dillon
Regiment de Clare
Regiment de Lee

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sat May 24, 2008 6:07 pm

Captain of dragoons,

You were "that one guy" I was talking about, I already saw this - from which I obtained the OOB. Do you have any uniform details?

Captain of Dragoons · Post by **Captain of Dragoons** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:18 pm

I have seen on the internet examples of the Marines in 'Stuart yellow', now that would draw attention on the battlefield/Wargame table.

Galmoy's Regiment of Infantry which was formed after the War of the Grand Alliance (and fought in the WSS) was made up off former troops from the Dismounted Dragoons. Red Coats with green facings.

Suggest you try iain1704's listed sources above.

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:25 am

Captain of Dragoons wrote:I have seen on the internet examples of the Marines in 'Stuart yellow', now that would draw attention on the battlefield/Wargame table.
.

Where did you see that? Thanks.

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sun May 25, 2008 12:53 am

by the way, here's a link to the irish brigades book

http://books.google.com/books?id=jSkAAA ... n#PPA89,M1

Captain of Dragoons · Post by **Captain of Dragoons** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:31 am

Can't for the lfe of me remember where I saw that picture. Came across it by accident when surfing the net sometime ago. It may have been on a site about early North American forts?

Post by **barr7430** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:52 pm

The 'Lord Admiral's Regt' wore yellow faced red but I think that was in the 1670s. Plate of them operating in North America in British Army 1660-1704.

James Duke of York(Later James II) was the Lord Admiral at the time!

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:15 pm

Yes, I'm afraid barry is right, the lord admiral's is a different unit, here's the link to the plate, besides, barry already has the unit up in his gallery

that's how I'm gonna paint them...and if you don't mind me asking barry, where'd you come up with the flags? just make them or is there historical evidence

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DN

geez, thats long

Post by **barr7430** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:04 pm

If you mean the unit I have posted as 'Trelawneys' the flag is historically accurate as far as available source material goes.
Two sources: Army of James the II (Alan Sapherson/Raider Games) & Mark Allen's plates on the British Army in Wargames Illustrated (The reference to the exact issue is in Graham Cummings Post somewhere in the Forum over the last two weeks)

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:15 pm

Actually Barry, I was just doing some research on my own and those would have been the 1698 colours after the army had been incorporated into french service

still can't find coat and facing colors yet

Captain of Dragoons · Post by **Captain of Dragoons** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:05 pm

Hello Me Paints Good,

Your link is the example I was talking about. I knew it had something to do with a fort. Don't know why I was thinking North America

Post by **barr7430** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:06 pm

red faced Yellow,

in the Mark Allen PLATES ON THE EXILED ARMY OF jAMES II
Wargames Illustrated #56 I think

Captain of Dragoons · Post by **Captain of Dragoons** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:07 pm

Who's to say that the Jacobite Marines in exile didn't keep with 'tradition' and still wear yellow faced red.

Me paints good · Post by **Me paints good** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:42 am

barr7430 wrote:red faced Yellow,

in the Mark Allen PLATES ON THE EXILED ARMY OF jAMES II
Wargames Illustrated #56 I think

so what about the other 6 (-the guards)?