League Of Augsburg - Fighting Talk

So I have a start on a WSS collection and was looking to do something different than the norm. Anybody out there doing something similar?

I know of a few. Parkinpieces on this forum with his crew in Derby have invested heavily in the Imperialist/Turkish theatre in 28mm. One of the reasons Warfare brought out so many cuirassier variants was to cope with the demands of Imperial/Bavarian/German States demand for cuirass over/under and front plate only with helmets, soft hats - heads and tricornes.
Many of us have an interest including the Polish and Saxon involvement both against the Turks and then the Swedes.

I would love to see the Warfare range cover Turks & Poles, even the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, to help Gunter's Saxons.

Lots of scope for some very interesting scenarios, using these armies.

Also awaiting the GNW stuff, looking at a Cossack uprising force for Donnybrook to use against the Russians.

Bob

PrinceEdward wrote:So I have a start on a WSS collection and was looking to do something different than the norm. Anybody out there doing something similar?

Having used a number of The Assault Group Turks for my Moorish force at Tangiers I have been very tempted to paint up a purely Turkish force for fighting around Vienna.
Cheers
Dave

Picked up a copy of The Siege of Vienna by John Stoye from my local charity shop during the week, even reading the first section, Origins of the Ottoman Attack is amazing. So much double dealing and backstabbing that it almost puts Barry in the shade

So many nationalities involved that it's just asking for a multi player campaign and once I get my Vendee factions finished I'll make a serious go at the Turks.
Cheers
Dave

obriendavid wrote:Picked up a copy of The Siege of Vienna by John Stoye from my local charity shop during the week, even reading the first section, Origins of the Ottoman Attack is amazing. So many nationalities involved that it's just asking for a multi player campaign...
Dave

I agree, the possibilities are exciting. Stoyle is a much better read than one might think on first glance in a used book shop. Good narrative of the military and political machinations and one can also glean some force strengths, recommended.

Probably not news to this learned assembly but just in case:

Murphey, Rhodes, Ottoman Warfare, 1500-1700, Rutgers (1999)
Millar, Simon, Vienna, 1683, Campaign 191, Osprey (2008)
Barker, Thomas, Double Eagle and Cresent, NYU Press (1967)

All are very useful to those of us whose command of German does not run to fluency.

I am also pursuing the 1683 Vienna campaign within my general 1683-1699 purview. I too am enamored with the TAG Ottomans. Dave has also encouraged us that selected TAG figures are also good for the Tangiers Campaign. Finally I recall Barry's barely concealed enthusiasm when visiting military museums in Istanbul a few months ago.

Cheers,

Michael

I've got;

The Enemy at the Gate (Hapsburgs, Ottomans and the battle for Europe): Wheatcroft, Andrew; Bodley Head; 2008.

I've just started reading it.

best
Ben

Michael... was I so obvious?

I was looking for ways to blog with the Turkish stuff but alas it is too early (most of it).
Re: 1683 and All that: I have not yet flexed my muscles on the Warfare Cuirassiers and their use against the Turks. That WILL happen and some of the new infantry types coming up can be used for Imperialists I am certain. Flirting with Turks and Warfare....
The Donnybrook factions have all been restricted to direct connections with the Scots/English/Irish but the possibilities on other fronts are immense: Poles, Swedes, Russians, Cossacks, Turks, India etc... all in our sights but need to get the core book out first

barr7430 wrote: The Donnybrook factions have all been restricted to direct connections with the Scots/English/Irish but the possibilities on other fronts are immense: Poles, Swedes, Russians, Cossacks, Turks, India etc... all in our sights but need to get the core book out first

I could definitely see the Cultist Faction being set up in Transylvannia without any changes.
Cheers
Dave

Millar, Simon, Vienna, 1683, Campaign 191, Osprey (2008)

AFAIK this book is a crap.

maciek wrote:

Millar, Simon, Vienna, 1683, Campaign 191, Osprey (2008)

AFAIK this book is a crap.

Really? Why?

Dfogleman2 wrote:

maciek wrote:

Millar, Simon, Vienna, 1683, Campaign 191, Osprey (2008)

AFAIK this book is a crap.

Really? Why?

Info from various Polish language forums.
Polish historians, notably the best modern 17th century specialist Radoslaw Sikora called it "full of errors" and "totally unrelaible" at least when reffering to Polish army.
For example, I've heard that the author claimed that Polish cavalry used "caracole" tactic.

I've got it on order from the Non Tax Paying Company so I'll pass on my feeling once I've had a read.
Cheers
Dave

AFAIK this book is crap

when you say you've "heard that the author claimed that Polish cavalry used caracole tactic" does that mean you don't actually know if he did?

Perkunos wrote:AFAIK this book is crap

when you say you've "heard that the author claimed that Polish cavalry used caracole tactic" does that mean you don't actually know if he did?

That's not what the author writes, he claims that the Cossacks used caracole tactics, but I doubt he means the same tactics that were used by Reiters in the 16th century. I feel that if you are going to claim a book is crap the least you could do is read it first.
Cheers
Dave