Bavarian Infantry 1690s 1700s

[lee sherman]

Thanks for info this has cleared up a few issues I have for regiments. So for painting regiments in miniature I would need to paint the grenadier companies in grey coats, is that for ALL bavarian regiments? Or is it a uniform issued when the grenadiers formed a combined regiment?

[El Cid]

grenadiers have grey coats with blue trousers

Hoffmann pictures blue coats for the Grenadiers all the way till 1727

the grey coats seem to be speculative at best or confined to one or two regiments

[CWK]

grenadiers have grey coats with blue trousers

Hoffmann pictures blue coats for the Grenadiers all the way till 1727

Yes, but Hoffmann pictures only a Grenadier in the year 1694, then again 1717 (at least in my version) - the grey coats were given out from 1698 till 1702. Then they got again a blue coat - in the same year the colours of the cuffs of all the regiments have changed again. If I find time I will write these changes down.

the grey coats seem to be speculative at best or confined to one or two regiments

Well, partly. The Info is given for the Leibregiment but in conjunction with the re-provision of new uniforms for the five regiments serving in the Netherlands - so less speculative than not paying attention to this change. Also the info is written in files in the War Archive (Protokolle, Kriegsrat), so - with a high probability - it is true.
Then again - we do not know if all the uniforms have been given out, all the changes had been performed untill the next order changed the appereance of the uniform etc.

So for painting regiments in miniature I would need to paint the grenadier companies in grey coats, is that for ALL bavarian regiments?

Well, if I were in your place and would like to display the army during the timeframe of the years (before the War of Spanish Succession), then I would paint one or two bases with grenadiers grey, the rest blue. - I would see the army more as a collage.


Btw: If forgot to write down in my last post that Harthausen had red stockings in 1695, Leibregiment and Rivera white-grey.

[lee sherman]

Great I will paint some in grey... Also was the cuffs same as the regimental colour example: lieb regiment would have grey coats with white cuffs or was the cuffs same colour for all company grenadiers? if so maybe it was for when they were combined so would all appear in the same uniform???.

Also does the grey coats have silver/white button lace??

Thanks

Lee

[CWK]

Great I will paint some in grey... Also was the cuffs same as the regimental colour example: lieb regiment would have grey coats with white cuffs or was the cuffs same colour for all company grenadiers?

Same colour. Red untill 1698, then blue, also in 1702 when the coat colour changed back to blue.

Sorry, no infos on lace around buttons for Grenadiers. 1685 there were 6 buttons made out of copper and 12 loops and toogles (don't know if this is the correct English term). (1686 buttons made of copper replaced the ones made of glass at all regiments.)
1694 the regiments for the Netherlands get lace around buttons for Officers and Ensigns.

[lee sherman]

The grenadiers caps are they fur with a hanging bag?
if so what is the bag colour?

Thanks

Lee

[CWK]

They had fur caps at least since 1695, bag was red.

[lee sherman]

Here's another question, I was all set to start collecting miniatures when I spotted some pictures show tricone hats as early as 1690s, but I was thinking is this because it was issued to troops at the time of the paintings produced so not in correct period context ...

So When did the Bavarians adopt the tricone hat as military issue to the troops??

Thanks

Lee

[El Cid]

It was during the Campaigns in Italy between 1691 and 1696, at least for the regiments in Italy (Steinau, Liferegiment).

Campaign of 1692: "Both regiments received new hats in triangular/3-sided form just before departure, like the ones which had been bought before in Turin"

Source: Anteil der bayerischen Armee an den Feldzügen in Piemont 1691 bis 1696

[maciek]

So When did the Bavarians adopt the tricone hat as military issue to the troops??

There is some evidence that they could sometimes wear floppy hats in 18th century as well. Look at my blog:
http://zealandbayonets.blogspot.com/201 ... -army.html

[Ronan the Librarian]

Is it possible that the "grey" coats are simply faded blue ones?

I only ask because there are some contemporary murals in Bavarian (one of the palaces, I think) that show late 17th Century troops in what are clearly blue coats, but much lighter/greyer than the richer blue associated with the period.

[Ronan the Librarian]

Sorry - double post for some reason.