Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

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Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Me paints good » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:25 pm

Does anybody know if this exists?
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Friedrich August I. » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:32 pm

I think that may be of help..

According to Wikipedia: "...The Second Battle of Mohács, also known as the Battle of Harsány Mountain"

The Link below leads to a handdrawing of the OOB of the Battle:

http://www.digam.net/dokumentce1d.html?ID=2625

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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by CWK » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:54 pm

If the picture is too small:

You could also try to access this book on the history of the 2nd Bavarian Infantry Regiment 'Kronprinz'. - There is no copyright any longer but it can't be seen in all countries ... though there are ways to view it.

On page 149 and the following ones there is a overview over the army's formation in different phases of battle. Two for the left wing which was commanded by the elector of Bavaria, one for the right one commanded by von Baden. :wink:
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Friedrich August I. » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:16 pm

If the picture is to small you can click on the pdf sign on the lower left of the picture than you have it in a resizeable pdf format.

Sorry forgot to say :oops:

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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Me paints good » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:11 am

Help me then with the left Wing Infantry (guessing it's the red ones) What are extra units? Where are they from?

We know where these are from
Lieb Regiment (Bavarian)
Baden-Durlach Regiment
Baden-Baden Regiment

Assuming Austrians
Serini's Regiment?
Found mention of this unit fighting with Eugene in Italy later on.....

No Idea
Ober Rhein Regiment?
Velden's Regiment?
Salmsel's Regiment?
Kaiserstein Regiment?

Two I can't make out
One looks like Croÿ or Groÿ or Greÿ
The other covered by flags
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Glorfindel » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:32 pm

Assuming Austrians
Serini's Regiment?


Perhaps this is :
"Kaiserlich-Koniglich Infanterie-Regiment Johann Carl Graf Serenyi"
(Raised in 1672 and became Infantry Regiment Nr 25)


Ober Rhein Regiment?
Velden's Regiment?
Salmsel's Regiment?


Not found yet - someone here is likely to know !

Kaiserstein Regiment?

I expect this is :
Kaiserlich-Koniglich Infanterie-Regiment Johann Paul Freiherr von Kaiserstein
(Raised in 1643 and disbanded in 1748)

One looks like Croÿ or Groÿ or Greÿ

This may be :
Kaiserlich-Koniglich Infanterie-Regiment Carl Eugen Herzog von Croy
(Raised in 1659 and disbanded in 1693)

The other covered by flags

Not sure of this one - hard to distinguish. I did wonder whether it was :
Kaiserlich-Koniglich Infanterie-Regiment Johann Joachim Strasser
(Raised 1656 and disbanded in 1690).

Interesting question ! I'll keep looking for the other regiments.


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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Me paints good » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:47 pm

These all seem to be Austrians. Where are the Bavarians?
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Glorfindel » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:51 am

These all seem to be Austrians. Where are the Bavarians?

Perhaps a little brusque - a 'thank you' might encourage further research ! ;-)

No worries.

Some goods news, though. I think I have now found the 'Ober Rhein' Regiment. Robert Hall's book 'The Military of the Upper Rhine Circle' confirms that a Regiment of Foot was raised by the Upper Rhine Kreis and took part in the Battle of Mohacs (commanded by Count Ludwig of Nassau-Usingen-Saarbrucken). The Regiment comprised 16 Companies formed into 2 Battalions (with individual Companies drawn from many separate German States).

It is also possible that 'Veldens' refers to the Bavarian 'Regiment zu Fuss Velden' (raised in 1682 and disbanded in 1705). Missed that one the last time I looked.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Certainly an interesting (but frustrating) project to work through the full order of battle.

Best of luck,


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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by danschorr » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:22 pm

Bavarian Regiments
Infantry
Leibregiment
Steinau
Seyboltstorff
Gallenfels
Valdenz (Velden)
Cavalry and Dragoons
Leibgarde der Hartschiere
Bielke
Arco
Latour
Salburg
Arco Dragoons
Sohier Dragoons
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by Me paints good » Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:49 pm

Glorfindel wrote:These all seem to be Austrians. Where are the Bavarians?

Perhaps a little brusque - a 'thank you' might encourage further research ! ;-)

No worries.

Some goods news, though. I think I have now found the 'Ober Rhein' Regiment. Robert Hall's book 'The Military of the Upper Rhine Circle' confirms that a Regiment of Foot was raised by the Upper Rhine Kreis and took part in the Battle of Mohacs (commanded by Count Ludwig of Nassau-Usingen-Saarbrucken). The Regiment comprised 16 Companies formed into 2 Battalions (with individual Companies drawn from many separate German States).

It is also possible that 'Veldens' refers to the Bavarian 'Regiment zu Fuss Velden' (raised in 1682 and disbanded in 1705). Missed that one the last time I looked.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Certainly an interesting (but frustrating) project to work through the full order of battle.

Best of luck,


Phil

Sorry brain was moving quickly at the time.....thank you guys
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Re: Austrian/Bavarian Order of Battle for Mohacs in 1687?

Post by CWK » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:57 pm

Me paints good wrote:Help me then with the left Wing Infantry (guessing it's the red ones) What are extra units? Where are they from?

We know where these are from
Lieb Regiment (Bavarian)
If you are starting by the Leib-Regiment

Leib-Regiment (Bavarian)
Latour (3 esqadrons)
Serini
Bielcke (3 esqadrons)
Serini
Heissler (5 esquadrons)
Croy
Sachsen-Lauenburg (5 esquadrons)
Leib Garde (Bavarian - 1 esquadron)
Castelli (5)
S/Gerau *have to guess*
Then there is the corner:
Baden
Magni (1 esquadron)
Banden
Magni (1 esquadron)
Veldenz
Magni (1 esquadron)
Galenfels = Gallenfells. Should be a G like in the Leib-Garde.
Magni (1 esquadron)
Strasser
Magni (1 esquadron)
Arco (3 esquadrons)
Soyer (4)
Arco (2)
Keiserstein = Kaiserstein
Galenfels = Gallenfels
Veldens = Veldenz
Salburg (3)
Ladron (5)
Ober Rhein (could be the contingent of an imperial circle)
Commercy (5) (Austrian Kürassiers)
Durlach

If the picture is to small you can click on the pdf sign on the lower left of the picture than you have it in a resizeable pdf format.
Yeah, but that won't help that much imho. Best you can do is showing the image in browser, then copying it in a photo editor. Zooming won't help that much as the picture's quality and resolution is too low.
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