Re: The Army of James II (Helion)
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:00 pm
Any visual aides such as contempory illustrations and images for the uniform guides and flags or is just text in Sapherson's work?
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Any visual aides such as contempory illustrations and images for the uniform guides and flags or is just text in Sapherson's work?
I have a book on this but at the moment I have lost it. King William abolished James II's regiment the "Lord Admiral's Maritime Regiment" because of its historical ties to James II. Some uniforms from James II's reign:The Rabblerouser wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:21 pmJust general uniforms for the nine years war and Ireland.
I do have the Army of Louis XIV so that is a start. The Osprey book on the British Army is tempting.
I find Pinterest to be a bit of a nightmare because so many pictures are badly labelled or their origin not mentioned at all.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:15 pmIf you are looking for uniforms I recommend Ospreys books, Pinterest app/website and the Vinhuizen collection website. Are there any uniforms in particular you are looking for information about?
Do you have a source for the statement is was disbanded because of particular ties to James II? By the way, by 1688 this regiment had ceased to be a maritime regiment for many years. It was indeed raised as part of the Naval Establishment, but was put on the military establishment (the Guards and Garrisons) after the second Anglo-Dutch War.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:42 pm[
I have a book on this but at the moment I have lost it. King William abolished James II's regiment the "Lord Admiral's Maritime Regiment" because of its historical ties to James II. Some uniforms from James II's reign:
Well wikipedia says it was abolished in 1689. It doesnt say this is the reason but I think I read somewhere that it was a factor. James II had been Lord Admiral in the final years of Charles II's reign and James II kept the title for himself as king.wdrenth wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:46 amDo you have a source for the statement is was disbanded because of particular ties to James II? By the way, by 1688 this regiment had ceased to be a maritime regiment for many years. It was indeed raised as part of the Naval Establishment, but was put on the military establishment (the Guards and Garrisons) after the second Anglo-Dutch War.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:42 pm[
I have a book on this but at the moment I have lost it. King William abolished James II's regiment the "Lord Admiral's Maritime Regiment" because of its historical ties to James II. Some uniforms from James II's reign:
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Actually James was Lord HIgh Admiral until 1673, when he had to lay down his offices due to the Test Act. In 1685 he took up that post again.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:28 pmWell wikipedia says it was abolished in 1689. It doesnt say this is the reason but I think I read somewhere that it was a factor. James II had been Lord Admiral in the final years of Charles II's reign and James II kept the title for himself as king.wdrenth wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:46 amDo you have a source for the statement is was disbanded because of particular ties to James II? By the way, by 1688 this regiment had ceased to be a maritime regiment for many years. It was indeed raised as part of the Naval Establishment, but was put on the military establishment (the Guards and Garrisons) after the second Anglo-Dutch War.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:42 pm[
I have a book on this but at the moment I have lost it. King William abolished James II's regiment the "Lord Admiral's Maritime Regiment" because of its historical ties to James II. Some uniforms from James II's reign:
kind regards, Wienand
Yes on closer research it seems you are correct that James didnt return as Lord Admiral, but he was brought back into the Privy Council in 1681 - which was also a violation of the Test Act.wdrenth wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:15 pmActually James was Lord HIgh Admiral until 1673, when he had to lay down his offices due to the Test Act. In 1685 he took up that post again.TheRightfulKing2013 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:28 pmWell wikipedia says it was abolished in 1689. It doesnt say this is the reason but I think I read somewhere that it was a factor. James II had been Lord Admiral in the final years of Charles II's reign and James II kept the title for himself as king.wdrenth wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:46 am
Do you have a source for the statement is was disbanded because of particular ties to James II? By the way, by 1688 this regiment had ceased to be a maritime regiment for many years. It was indeed raised as part of the Naval Establishment, but was put on the military establishment (the Guards and Garrisons) after the second Anglo-Dutch War.
kind regards, Wienand
The Lord High Admiral's Regiment was likewise renamed around 1673 as the Duke of York's Regiment. It had then lost the maritime connection for good. By late 1684, the honorary colonel of the regiment became George, Prince of Denmark, the husband of Princess Anne. Then the regiment was known as the Prince of Denmark's Regiment.
In late 1688, the regimental colonel was Sir Charles Lyttelton, future 3rd Baronet. His biography in the History of Parliament says he supported James II to the last, and his regiment was considered too attached to the old Jacobite regime [in 1689] that it was disbanded. This indeed supports your statement, though no further references are given and I have not found such a statement in other literature -- it makes a nice note anyway!
After the disbandment of this regiment, the Prince of Denmark became honorary colonel of the Holland Regiment, the later East Kent Regiment, or the Buffs.
Richard Leveson became colonel of the future 2nd Dragoon Guards in January 1694.
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