I guess this will be a bad time to bring up if Guard Regiments for BLB2 can carry pikes after 1704

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Edward

I have to say Mr Nugent your last reply was hardly the words of a gentleman.

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Ben

I had said previously that I wasn't going to get involved with this latest debate on pikes so I'm not going to add any more to that subject but I want to take exception to the tone of TNugents post. As others have already mentioned this is a very friendly forum where people can discuss a wide variety of topics, have differences of opinion but we still like to keep it civilized. Perhaps your attitude and tone would be better suited to having a discussion on TMP? you're certainly not going to win many converts to your point of view lecturing them with such a condescending attitude.
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Dave

Wow! Sounds a bit like TMP...definitly this is not the place for that here...my two cents!

Too bad this didn't come back to the subject at hand.

Looks like some have hijacked this thread..what were we talking about? Oh yeah, James II, lots o' pike in that lads army.

I would be inclined to agree the pike seems to have been the default weapon of rather hastily raised units & what little I have read of the whole Irish campaign suggest there where quite a lot of those there & on both sides.

Ginger

Gents, it's a deliberate 'flamer' so just ignore it - In any event, Mr Nugent can't even spell "B*llocks".

- Mike

This is an interesting question worthy of debate. But debate is not possible here and I haven't got the time to waste trying.



I have to say Mr Waterhouse your last reply was hardly the words of a open minded man. I am no BS gentleman and this is no forum for a gentlemen.



As I said in my post, if you had read it, I am not trying to win converts to any point of view. As to lecturing with a condescending attitude I generally leave that to an expert like you.



They are not 'my figures' or indeed Stephen's or any of the others that have received rude and abusive replies here for talking about this. The information is no ones that has been alive during the last few hundred years. The information comes from the official papers of the British government/army and were written by people at the time.



I am not sure what exactly you mean by the first part here. I am afraid you will have to find some other way to answer it.

On the second point it does vary but generally officers are not counted at all in period papers - i.e. they are not usually included in the total size of companies/battalions for example. In addition often the units involved are swapping pikes for equal numbers of muskets.

Thanks for the info on your source but I was hoping for something more concrete



Gents, it's another abusive personal attack so just ignore it - In any event, Mr Rebel can't even understand the point of the acronym and humour. The acronym is also someone else's and not mine but I guess that would spoil the personal attack.



You are calling me a liar and a moron, then you expect an answer!!!!

Your reply is rude, offensive, full of you usual inaccuracies and pointless comments. Unfortunately this is the norm here nowadays.

I apologise to you and some of the others if my tone came over as strange and rude. It was certainly not intended that way. I would ask your, and the others, indulgence as this kind of thread has a history which you might not know about. I knew that the BS attacks would follow my posts and I guess I was anticipating them.

I am glad you liked the content which was intend to be a polite neutral look at the issue. This forum was a good place to debate historical issues but the forum 'Mafia' have driven all the real experts away and any kind of real debate quickly disintegrates into mud slinging. I should say that Stephen E-B who made the original post is one of the more expert posters although how long he will continue when all he gets is abuse is another matter.

I was afraid of this before I rejoined the forum and that obvious had an effect on the way I wrote. But I am afraid I am not going to waste any more time posting here after today. This kind of abuse and stupity was why I left before & nothing has changed.

So this is all from me, I will leave the forum to continue festering away.

Well aren't you a treat Mr. Nugent! I hope whatever forum you do grace with your learned presence in future is more suited to your needs. I'm sure that providing each member worships at your feet and agrees wholeheartedly with whatsoever you have to say then you will find it most satisfying.

Who could possibly have imagined that an arrogant and condescending attitude would have upset and annoyed people? Why, it's as if the whole world has gone mad!

It's a shame this isn't the true Ted Nugent, I quite enjoyed his "Great White Buffalo".

I'm new to the wargaming of this period - only just started with BLB2 (Huzzar!) - though I've read various books and articles on it for some 35 years or so, admittedly most being centred on Marlborough, James II or Monmouth. I'm disappointed that past baggage has resulted in the loss of a potentially interesting debate (to me anyway!) over whether the theoretical existence, by which I mean the existence of a historical record stating that certain equipment (in this case the pike) was issued to units, translated into a practical application, ie were said pikes actually used in the field in 1704 and later (by English units)?

One thing history has taught me is to keep an open mind until certainty prevails...and I've seen precious little certainty in history.

Apologies to original poster for making an unrelated comment.

I agree Joe, the early wars and particularily Ireland is a period I know very little about and had been enjoying the discussions and information that people have been posting so I'm looking forward to getting back to the discussions in a friendly manner. I've even been tempted to get some of Barry's figures to paint for the period.
Cheers
Dave

Well I indeed have been doing something more productive today; six hours cracking on with our James Footguards from the inimitable Warfare Figures.

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Ben

Could I just say thanks to everyone for their advice? James now has 6 regts ready. Once I found out that there was no penalty regarding flintlock/matchlock I decided to mix them randomly. I've included 2 grenadiers per regt and 3 pikemen on a separate stand.
If and when I begin the newly raised Irish regts I'll probably go for 4-5 pikemen on a separate stand.
Having said that, Monmouth's pikemen are not separate but interspersed throughout the 3 base stands.

Essex Miniatures 15mm figures are quite easy to paint, I've found. My only (!) problem was getting the little fellas to stand upright on their bases. Thanks to a local gamer I've found this can be overcome using superglue rather than Uhu as a fixative.

Mark