barr7430 wrote:
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Weinand, thanks for the info on both Gustavus Hamilton and Erle's but just for clarity are you saying there were two Gustavus Hamiltons or a Gustavus and a Gustovos Hamilton? It is such an unusual name combination that a clarification would be helpful please. I suspect the use of the name Gustavus is a direct tribute to Gustav Adolph in the same way people now christen their offspring Britney, Chelsea and Beyonce McDonald
On the Erle's issue... two regiments both owned by the same colonel and with the same name at the same time? This is unusual also isn't it. I am not disagreeing but just looking for clarification please. Thomas Erle must have been bloody rich!
No one has clarified the Treloani(Trelawney) reference from Marburg... is this just a mistake. Weinand where were Trelawney's in 1691? They were in Ireland in 1690 I believe.
What about Lloyd's? Mike you say yes 'on the field', Sapherson says they were guarding the trayne and Marburg does not mention them nor does a recent source doc provided by Dan Schorr.
Wolstai are shown as a foot battalion on Marburg so I am wondering about them being further 'squadrons' of Wolselai(Wolseley's). Seems like a possible double error by Marburg source?
Hi Barry,
Thanks to be able to add to the general confusion
There were two Gustavus Hamilton's.
Gustavus Hamilton, 1st Viscount Boyne, has a pretty decent wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavus_H ... ount_Boyne
Gustavus Hamilton, the other, is of Swedish origin it seems (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Hamilton). He was Governor of Enniskillen in 1689. There is a decent bio of him in Dalton's
English Army Lists etc..
As to Erle, he raised a regiment in March 1689. In January 1691 he succeeded Francis Luttrell as colonel of another regiment, the future 19th Foot. His first regiment served in Ireland, and later in England. The other regiment, the future 19th, remained in England until 1692. In March 1690 520 men were drafted and send as reinforcements to Ireland. It served in Flanders after 1692.
The first regiment was reduced in 1698, and most likely merged into the other regiment. The Lt-Colonel of the first regiment, Freake, who effectively commanded the regiment, continued as Lt-Colonel of the second regiment in 1698. Sometimes the regiments are referred to as the 1st and 2nd battalion of the same regiment, with one serving as the depot battalion for the field battalion.
Not sure it Erle was rich, or probably well connected. His regiments were not of some ancient and classical standing, so getting the colonelcy was probably cheap.
Should not forget that the Duke of Bolton owned two regiments as well, but he probably was rich.
Trelawny's Regiment (future 4th Foot) was in Ireland in 1690 and 1691. It fought at the Boyne, but was withdrawn already in August. It took part in Marlborough expedition against Cork and Kinsale in late 1690, and wintered in Ireland. It was not at Aughrim.
Wolstai is strange indeed.
When I compare the Marburg orbat against that of Story, the former shows 32 battalions of foot, the latter only 28. For my book, using several sources, I came to 27 battalions (This is the Lloyd battalion mentioned by you: it is given by Story, but not in Michael's Aughrim book).
Looking at Marburg, you will see a battalion called Prince de Hesse, and one called Darmstadt. Which should be an error, since it was the Prince of Hessen-Darmstadt, who had one regiments. Maybe the regiment was split into two battalions?
The Brandenburg Regiment seems to be a mistake as well.
Maybe save to say the Marburg map is colourfull, but only partially accurate
Hope this helps a bit.
cheers,
Wienand
