by danschorr » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:11 pm
Barry, I apologize. This will be my last shot on this subject.
Mr. Turrabear, I stand by my assertion that Saxon dragoon regiments had a kettledrummer, and that they participated in combat. Whether or not you wish to believe it, is your business. However, the sources you cited are a bit questionable.
“Trophees de la Guerre de Succession d’Espagne” shows French and Bavarian kettledrums only. Neither of these States had kettledrums in dragoon regiments, so it is hardly surprising that none show up in this work. I never said that all dragoon regiments had kettledrums.
The Swedish Army Museum’s Digital Museum does indeed show over 100 drums. None are kettledrums from the GNW, and few are Saxon. This does not mean that the museum does not have them. Not everything in the Museum’s possession has been photographed and placed on the Digital Museum. Also, not everything captured by the Swedes during the war made it back to Stockholm. In addition, the Museum’s identification of items is often generic rather than specific as to unit, and date and place of capture. So your statement is hardly conclusive proof of anything.
Curt Jany cites some Brandenburg-Prussian dragoon regiments as having kettledrums (pages159, 349 and 604)
Höglund in his book on Swedish uniforms cites four Swedish dragoon regiments as having kettledrums, two of which were at Poltava.
At least one Danish dragoon regiment had a kettledrum.
Not just the Livregiment lost its kettledrum at Polotava, but every cavalry regiment and two dragoon regiments at Polava-Perovolotjno lost theirs as well. By the way it’s Englund not Lund.
Lists of battle trophies quite often did not make a distinction between kettledrums captured from cavalry regiments and those from dragoon regiments. They looked the same.
I don’t understand your logic when you admit that cavalry kettledrummers participated in combat, yet you argue that those belonging to dragoon regiments did not. There is a disconnect here. Were dragoon kettledrums more valuable than those belonging to the cavalry in that they had to be kept safe and only brought out for parades? Don’t apply 19th Century use of the kettledrum to the late 17th and early 18th Century. Having a kettledrum does not prohibit dragoons from fighting dismounted.
Barry, I apologize. This will be my last shot on this subject.
Mr. Turrabear, I stand by my assertion that Saxon dragoon regiments had a kettledrummer, and that they participated in combat. Whether or not you wish to believe it, is your business. However, the sources you cited are a bit questionable.
“Trophees de la Guerre de Succession d’Espagne” shows French and Bavarian kettledrums only. Neither of these States had kettledrums in dragoon regiments, so it is hardly surprising that none show up in this work. I never said that all dragoon regiments had kettledrums.
The Swedish Army Museum’s Digital Museum does indeed show over 100 drums. None are kettledrums from the GNW, and few are Saxon. This does not mean that the museum does not have them. Not everything in the Museum’s possession has been photographed and placed on the Digital Museum. Also, not everything captured by the Swedes during the war made it back to Stockholm. In addition, the Museum’s identification of items is often generic rather than specific as to unit, and date and place of capture. So your statement is hardly conclusive proof of anything.
Curt Jany cites some Brandenburg-Prussian dragoon regiments as having kettledrums (pages159, 349 and 604)
Höglund in his book on Swedish uniforms cites four Swedish dragoon regiments as having kettledrums, two of which were at Poltava.
At least one Danish dragoon regiment had a kettledrum.
Not just the Livregiment lost its kettledrum at Polotava, but every cavalry regiment and two dragoon regiments at Polava-Perovolotjno lost theirs as well. By the way it’s Englund not Lund.
Lists of battle trophies quite often did not make a distinction between kettledrums captured from cavalry regiments and those from dragoon regiments. They looked the same.
I don’t understand your logic when you admit that cavalry kettledrummers participated in combat, yet you argue that those belonging to dragoon regiments did not. There is a disconnect here. Were dragoon kettledrums more valuable than those belonging to the cavalry in that they had to be kept safe and only brought out for parades? Don’t apply 19th Century use of the kettledrum to the late 17th and early 18th Century. Having a kettledrum does not prohibit dragoons from fighting dismounted.