Hay's Dragoon's @ Blenheim

[Churchill]

Ray.

[Rob Herrick]

Is that book strength, or is it an actual head count close to the day of battle?

Similarly, where was the 2nd Squadron of the Regiment? Did it not exist, or was it on detached service somewhere?

My inclination would be to paint up a second squadron. That way, you've got the whole regiment at "book" should you need it for various gaming opportunities.

[Churchill]

Ray.

[Justin Penwith]

Ray,

Since they fought dismounted at both major actions of that campaign, why not have them as one five figure stand of dismounted dragoons? I'd not have them as a mounted unit at all, if it were I.

A simple solution that does not require extra figures that did not exist in the OOB and keeps them to their historical usage.

Their parent brigade will be a little light on mounted units, but that's fine, because it WAS!

[Rob Herrick]

Rob, that's actual campaign establishment that marched from Flanders to the Danube.
They fought dismounted at both the Schellenberg and in support of the allied foot in the final stages of the action surrounding Blenheim village.
Casualties received at Schellenberg - 1 Officer & 7 Troopers killed, 2 Officers & 17 Troopers wounded.
Casualties received at Blenheim - None killed or wounded.

Ray.

So was it a 300 man squadron, or a 300 man regiment?

Also, how many horses were on hand, and how many were lost before Blenheim? That, I think, may clear up this minor mystery.

[Churchill]

Ray.

[EvilGinger]

it was a 300 man Regiment of one Squadron just to clarify the issue seemed to be how one would model that under BLB especially as one of its companion regiments had two squadrons and was around the same strength with the two squadrons combined.

If the troops where used on foot I would be inclined to model both as two bases of five as the typical infantry battalion of about 500 is three bases of six its not exact but feels right at least to me.


Ginger

[Churchill]

Ray.

[simon boulton]

Hi Ray,
Where did the figures come from? The numbers for Hay's dragoons look like a mistake to me. I'd do them as a 6 figure unit,
Best wishes,
Simon

[Churchill]

Ray.

[simon boulton]

Thanks Ray.

If you're using a 6 figure tabletop squadron for each real squadron then doing two would make the regiment more flexible. At Ramillies they did deploy with both squadrons present,
Best wishes,
Simon

[Churchill]

Ray.

[Graf Bretlach]

The problem of Hay's dragoons has bugged me ever since i got hold of Dalton's lists (they are available on Google books)
In my opinion there is no way that 1 squadron had 25 officers and over 300 men, the figures have to be for 2 squadrons.

Now the only original OB i have seen has them with 1 sqn, other sources are unclear, so either the OB is mistaken (not impossible) or the other squadron was else where (guarding a bridge or camp or something) but 2 squadrons must have come down from Flanders or they wouldn't have been given the bounty.

Dalton's figures are based on the bounty issued to all soldiers that took part in the Danube campaign of 1704 not necessarily just Blenheim. So you need to add all the dead to give pre battle strength unless they had a widow in which case she claimed the bounty.

Dalton doesn't mention losses for either dragoon regiment at Blenheim, although Ross's certainly did suffer some, cannot confirm this without seeing the original K&W lists (they do exist)

so to answer the original question you can build your regiment as 1 sqn of 150 or 2 totaling 300

if anyone can shed anymore light I would be very interested.

[maciek]

Dalton's lists (they are available on Google books)

Could you give the link to it ?

[Friedrich August I.]

Dalton's lists (they are available on Google books)

Could you give the link to it ?

I think it's that one...

http://books.google.at/books?id=R9ofAAA ... CDIQ6AEwAA