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lenin · Post by **lenin** » Sun May 15, 2005 11:24 pm

Hi,
My long term interest, and by long term I mean since the mid-seventies when the major producers of wargame figures were Hinchclife and Minifigs, has and always will be the ECW. I've lost count of the times I've started a new army, Royalist or Parliamentarian. Well, guess what I've started again, armed with my trusty copy of 'Forlorn Hope' rules, various source books and catalogues. Therefore, I'm asking for any information, especialy on the armies that fought in the West country during 1643, regiments, coat colours, flags etc. It being my long term ambition to recreate the Battle of Lansdowne. Thanks in advance!

As a matter of fact, and probably of little interest, I got the nickname 'Lenin' during my history degree course. Since I quickly worked out that nobody seemed to want to cover any wars or revolutions during the periods I was studying, I found I could get hold of any books etc that I needed. As wearing a black cap, having my hair very short and sporting a goatee beard gave me a somewhat distinctive appearance, hence the title 'Lenin'. It's that simple!!

Cheers, Andy (Lenin)

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon May 16, 2005 3:24 pm

Hello Lenin,

Not exactly the detailed answer you probably want as it is quite a wide question you ask, but you can do no better than contact Caliver books who have a wonderful catalogue of pamphlets etc that cover all topics on the ECW including known army compositions, campaigns and battles and known colours of flags and uniform coats etc. They are a mine of information and very reasonably priced.

Regards

John

azeroth · Post by **azeroth** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:46 pm

I have some stuff in the loft i think about Lansdown, I shall dig it out this weekend and email it to you if you supply your email address.

Hope this is of some help

IanB

lenin · Post by **lenin** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:54 pm

Hi,

John. Thanks, I have some of Partizans publications. They are great, I can't praise their works enough. I am more or less sure of the regiments which were present at Lansdowne, but I hoped that someone might have gleaned a detail or two that they hadn't.

IanB. Likewise thanks, any information would be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address should be available.

Cheers, Andy

azeroth · Post by **azeroth** » Sun May 22, 2005 11:08 am

Not forgotten you guys, just not had chance to get the stuff sorted this weekend, I will do it in the week though and get it in some sort of usable format and post or email it

Apologies

IanB

azeroth · Post by **azeroth** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:13 am

Sorry for the delay guys, thanks for being patient. Finally dug the stuff out of the loft so this week i will type it up and send it via email or post here depending how much there is of it.

IanB

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:31 pm

Happy surfing Regards Lindsay

http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/Ralph-Hopton.html

http://www.st.marys.freeuk.com/history.htm

http://cornishworld.net/timeline2.htm

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/lookup/enc ... opton.html

http://www.generalmonck.com/biography.htm

http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml? ... _Civil_War

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/C/CO/CORNWALL.htm

http://www.medical-news.info/en/english-civil-war.html

http://read-and-go.hopto.org/Wars%2Dof% ... DKingdoms/

http://www.kamero.net/articles/English_Civil_War

1643 CE
Solemn League and Covenant is signed by Parliament.
Tenby and Haverfordwest fall to Royalist forces.
Welsh troops led by Sir John Owen of Clennau help capture Bristol for Royalists.
Pembroke reinforced by Parliamentary forces arriving by ship.
Civil war battles of Bradock Down, Stratton (May noth-east Cornwall), Lansdown ( July 5th. Sir Bevil Grenville killed) and Roundway Down (July 13th.). Sir Bevil (1596-1643 born at Brinn) was a leading Cornish Royalist soldier. Educated at Exeter College, Oxford who entered Parliament in 1621 and for some years supported the Popular Party. In 1639 he became a firm supporter of the King. He helped Hopton (Ralph 1st. Baron, commander for the King in the southwest 1642-46) in October '42 organize an army of volunteers called by Parliament the Cornish Malignant's. On January 19th. 1643, at the first battle to be fought in Cornwall, on a ridge in between Bradock and Boconnoc, he led the foot. The charge was so fierce that the enemy broke and fled. He campaigned until the battle at Lansdown ridge, north of Bath, on July 5th where he held the edge of the plateau with his stand of pikes against the repeated charges of the Parliamentary horse until he was fatally wounded at the victorious conclusion of the battle. He died the following day and his body was taken back to Kilkhampton for burial.
January, 4: Birth of Isaac Newton, influential British alchemist, mathematician, astronomer, scientist and philosopher. The Julian Calendar places his birth on December, 25 1642.
July, 13: English Civil War: Battle of Roundway Down - In England, Lord Henry Wilmot, Earl of Rochester, commanding the Royalist forces, wins a crushing victory over the Parliamentarian Sir William Waller.
September, 20: English Civil War: Battle of Newbury - Parliamentarian Robert Devereux, the Earl of Essex defeats a Royalist army commanded by Charles I of England at Newbury, Berkshire.
December, 13: The Battle of Alton during the English Civil War.
Colonel Ruthin's Parliamentarian force was defeated at Liskeard in January with 1,250 of his troops being taken prisoners. This was followed by a second defeat at Saltash and the Royalist's laid siege to Plymouth.
A seperate Parlimentary force under General James Chudliegh crosses Poulston Bridge and marched on Launceston. Following a long battle, where each side held the advantage at times, the Parlimentarians were forced to retreat.

lenin · Post by **lenin** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:58 pm

Hi,
Thanks Ian, look forward to it.

Thanks Lindsay, the ECW has always been my favourite period ( although as is the case with most gamers, I tend to flit around periods). At the moment I find myself torn between the ECW and the 'Glorious Revolution', but I'm tending towards the latter. However, try as hard as I can I find myself drifting back to the ECW, what tends to control me is;
1) I consistently fail to find figures that truly capture the period, but I live in hope.
2) I have never managed to find a set of rules that fire my imgination and realy capture the flavour of the times. I continue to look, maybe I'll have to write my own, maybe that's the way to go?

Cheers, Andy.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:25 pm

For ECW I like 1644 they are older but do catch the flavor of the period in my opinion.I have bothe Bicorne and Renegade figures with some Redoubt in my ECW stuff. Bicorne just came out with some fantastic Scots figures and intend to add Irish this year.Regards Lindsay
http://www.bicorne.co.uk/html/ecw.htm

http://www.renegademiniatures.com/eng_civil.htm

http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/

Niceley painted figures here:
http://www.quindia.com/studiogalleryecw.htm

azeroth · Post by **azeroth** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:31 am

OK sorry for the delays, the units in the West country for the Lansdown and Roundway Campaigns were as follows:

Royalist Forces

The Cornish Army
Sir Bevill Grenvilles Regt of foot approx 1000 men bluecoats
Sir Nicholas Slannings Regt of foot approx 500 men bluecoats
Lord Mohuns Regt of foot approx 500 men coat colour unknown
Wiliam Godolphins Regt of foot approx 500 men blue coats
John Trevanyons Regt of foot approx 500 men coats unknown

The Army of Prince Maurice and the Marquis of Hertford

Infantry
Joseph Bampfields Regt of foot unknown number and coats
Brutus Bucks Regt of foot unknown
Prince Maurices Regt of foot unknown
Marquis of Hertfords Regt of foot unknown

Cavalry
Earl of Caernarvons regt of horse unknown
Prince Maurices regt of horse unknown
Thomas Howards regt of horse unknown
Marquis of Hertfords regt of horse unknown
Sir Humphrey Bennets horse unknown
Sir George Vaughans regt of horse unknown
Sir James Hamiltons regt of horse unknown

Sir James Hamiltons regt of dragons unknown

The units in red were not present at Lansdown, having been sent to besiege Exeter

By the time of Lansdown, the Cornish foot were veteran regiments and were good quality. They had battle experience after Braddock Down, Launceston and Stratton as well as many smaller actions.

When the armies joined at Chard in June, the Cornish army was said bt Hopton to amount to 3000 foot 500 horse and 300 dragoons with 5 or 6 field pieces. I have no information on the Cornish horse

For the Roundway campaign the army was joined by uits of the Oxford horse as follows:

Lord Crawfords regt of horse 3-400 men
James Longs regt of horse 2-300 men
Lord Wilmots regt of horse unknown
Lord Digbys regt of horse unknown
Lord John Byrons regt of horse unknown
Thomas Sandys regt of horse unknown
Sir John Digbys regt of horse unknown
Thomas Morgans regt of horse unknown

None of the Oxford horse were present at Lansdown, arriving from Marlborough at the start of the battle of Roundway. They were organised in 3 brigades and accompanied by 2 light guns

The Parliamentarian army will follow shortly

Hope this helps

IanB

azeroth · Post by **azeroth** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:01 am

Ok Now for the Army of Sir William Waller

At Lansdown:

Infantry
Thomas Essex regt of foot 270 men
Merricks regt of foot 50-100 grey coats
Sir Robert Cookes regt 500-800
Thomas Stephens 1-300
Sir Horatio Careys regt 200
Strodes regt of foot 230

There is debate as to whether Strodes regiment actually fought as they were the Bath garrison but some accounts have them fighting so they are included here.

Cavalry
(I have no strengths listed for these regiments)

Sir William Wallers regt of horse
Burghills regt of horse
Sir Arthur Hazelrigs regt of horse (the famous lobsters)
Sir Wiliam Wallers regt of dragoons
(It is estmiated that after Roundway the brigade consisted of 5-600 men only in 15 troops)

After Lansdown the army was reinforced with more infantry:

Nathaniel Fiennes regt of foot
Alexander Pophams regt of foot
Edward Hungerfords regt of foot
(No numbers or coat colours known)

Horse
(Note these are troops not regiments, they were probably brigaded as i have listed them i have no strengths for these but would assume normal troop strengths apply)

Devonshire Horse
Col William Gould
Capt Thomas Drake
Capt Nicholas Boscowan
Capt Wansey
Capt Thomas Halsey
Earl of Stamford
Capt George Thompson

Devon Dragoons
Capt Woodley
Capt William Sandall
Capt Sandbagg
(again no trrop strengths but i would guess they fought as one unit)

Bristol garrison horse
Nathaniel Fiennes regt of horse (regiment not troop)

Gloucester Horse
(troops again)
Capt Edward Cooke
Capt Walter Parry
Capt Gifford

Somerset
Col Richard Coles Regt of horse
Col Richard Coles regt of dragoons
Col Strodes troop of horse
Col Pophams troop of horse
Col Pophams regt of dragoons

Again hope this helps and again apologies for the delay. Any more help I can give on this period drop me a private email and I will see what I can do.

IanB

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