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A Painting Mutiny?

Post by Atheling » Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:59 am

Hi all,

I have a bit of a painting dilemma! I've spent quite a few pennies on the Iron Duke Indian Mutiny range all beautifully sculpted by Paul Hicks. I've been carefully painting up my NWF and Sudan collection with my usual 'style' but there aren't enough hours in the day to get all three of my major projects (four when you throw in the HYW!).

I was thinking of 'Speed Painting' to a wargames standard for my Indian Mutiny collection but the mini's are so wonderfully crafted that I find myself in a bit of a pickle!

I've made a more comprehensive post detailing the pro's and con's as i see it on my Shooting Leave Blog here:

http://allthebrave.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... lemma.html

Do I go for the Wargames Standard or stick to my usual painting style?

Below are some pics of mini's painted at Wargames Standard:

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I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions

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Re: A Painting Mutiny?

Post by Adam Hayes » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:01 am

You're a cheeky blighter Darrell! Most of us would be well pleased with your so-called speed painted standard as our best attainable! What you do not have with Indian Mutiny is big standards and colourful shields that draw the eye away from areas where less time has been taken on subtle washes and picking out details. I think great bases and bringing out the character of the figures will be the key to success, which I am sure you can mange looking at these offerings. Git :D
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Post by Atheling » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:55 am

Adam Hayes wrote:You're a cheeky blighter Darrell! Most of us would be well pleased with your so-called speed painted standard as our best attainable!
I wasn't aiming at showing off or anything of that ilk! viz, it's a serious question and one that I'm answering myself by doing a 'quick' unit or Neil's Bluecaps to see what I think. The idea is that if I'm not happy that I'll try to sell them on. I just want to do justice to paul Hicks scuulpts.
Adam Hayes wrote:What you do not have with Indian Mutiny is big standards and colourful shields that draw the eye away from areas where less time has been taken on subtle washes and picking out details. I think great bases and bringing out the character of the figures will be the key to success, which I am sure you can mange looking at these offerings. Git :D
Yeah, I'm doing them on pennies and using Warbases movement trays so that they can be used in both skirmish games and regimental actions. It's far from idea, I'm not a great fan of Sabot bases as it's hard to get the troops to look right as they all tend to be equidistant and a little too far apart from one another. I was going to use 18mm washers which would have improved things but they were £2.99 for 8!!!! That price alone put the kybosh on that one!

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Re: A Painting Mutiny?

Post by Churchill » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:17 am

Hi Darrell,

Fantastic painting even for "Wargames Standard", but I would agree with Adam in that when seeing a regiment with all it's colour, shield deco and flag's can take the eye away from any plain uniform.
I'd also say "it's the standard of casting of the figure itself", this is the reason I choose Front Rank when building my Marlburian army.
They may be bigger and chunky than most figures, but the detail on the figure is far superior for 18th century armies than any other manufacturer.

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Post by Atheling » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:11 am

Churchill wrote:Hi Darrell,

Fantastic painting even for "Wargames Standard", but I would agree with Adam in that when seeing a regiment with all it's colour, shield deco and flag's can take the eye away from any plain uniform.
I'll post up some pics later on this week- I'm trying to go for more stark contrasts as if i were paint =ing up a 15mm model.
Churchill wrote: I'd also say "it's the standard of casting of the figure itself", this is the reason I choose Front Rank when building my Marlburian army.
Oh, I agree- they're Paul Hicks sculpts and are sold by Empress who always have very clean castings.

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Re: A Painting Mutiny?

Post by Adam Hayes » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:59 pm

Atheling wrote: I was going to use 18mm washers which would have improved things but they were £2.99 for 8!!!! That price alone put the kybosh on that one!

Darrelll
I haggle hard when I find any usable ones at a car boot sale! Wilkinsons sell theirs at a set price for as many as you can cram in a bag, which can work out cheap if they have the right size in.

I am also not a fan of sabot bases. If a set of rules cannot cope with multi-basing it soon finds itself in the bin!
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Re: A Painting Mutiny?

Post by Atheling » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:42 am

Adam Hayes wrote:
Atheling wrote: I was going to use 18mm washers which would have improved things but they were £2.99 for 8!!!! That price alone put the kybosh on that one!

Darrelll
I haggle hard when I find any usable ones at a car boot sale! Wilkinsons sell theirs at a set price for as many as you can cram in a bag, which can work out cheap if they have the right size in.

I am also not a fan of sabot bases. If a set of rules cannot cope with multi-basing it soon finds itself in the bin!
I wish I'd know that earlier..... too late now as i've started painting them :)

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Post by Ronan the Librarian » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:14 pm

Just looked at this thread and, with a 15mm Moghul army soon to hit the workbench, I would be interested as to how you plan to replicate "Indian" soil. From what I've seen on telly, it seems to be more red than Middle Eastern ground.
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Post by Atheling » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:12 am

Ronan the Librarian wrote:Just looked at this thread and, with a 15mm Moghul army soon to hit the workbench, I would be interested as to how you plan to replicate "Indian" soil. From what I've seen on telly, it seems to be more red than Middle Eastern ground.
I haven't really got around to studying that problem yet but off the top of my head I'm thinking darkened Vallejo MC Red Leather (with
VMC Black), then Vallejo MC Red Leather, then Vallejo Panzer Aces Medium Rust, then Vallejo Panzer Aces Light Rust- probably something like that anyway.

Hope that helps?

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Post by Ronan the Librarian » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:40 am

Thanks. I have Foundry and W&N artists colours, rather than Vallejo, but I'm sure I can match them up - the Foundry Terracotta or Brick Red triads look close, with a darkened W&N Red Oxide base.

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Post by Atheling » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:54 am

You'll have to Matt them down- well, at least the Foundry colours or you may end up with satin bases.

It might be an idea to make some patches and see if you can get emulsion matches at your local hardware store if you're thinking terrain pieces too?

Darrell.
Ronan the Librarian wrote:Thanks. I have Foundry and W&N artists colours, rather than Vallejo, but I'm sure I can match them up - the Foundry Terracotta or Brick Red triads look close, with a darkened W&N Red Oxide base.

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Post by Ronan the Librarian » Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:24 pm

Thanks for that extra piece of advice. The troop bases will be matt varnished (along with the figures); not sure what I'm going to do about terrain pieces yet - other than a compulsory "base camp" for tournaments. Probably keep an eye on your blog, I would think...... :wink:

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Post by Atheling » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:53 am

Ronan the Librarian wrote:Thanks for that extra piece of advice. The troop bases will be matt varnished (along with the figures); not sure what I'm going to do about terrain pieces yet - other than a compulsory "base camp" for tournaments. Probably keep an eye on your blog, I would think...... :wink:

Cheers.
Well, I'm a quarter of the way through the first Madras after selling the unit I painted up quickly! I'll have some WIP pics of the unit on my blog, mounted on 18mm washers so it might be worth a peek ;)

I'm still debating whether or not to have my Terrain bases painted up the same way as my Sudan stuff as then they would serve a double purpose. This would mean that they had a sandy base...... decisions.... decisions....

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Post by Cameronian » Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:26 pm

I'm intrigued by this term 'Wargame Standard' and would like to know where I could get a copy of it or a definition of it which is accepted by the wargaming or table-top gaming community globally.
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Post by Atheling » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:23 pm

Cameronian wrote:I'm intrigued by this term 'Wargame Standard' and would like to know where I could get a copy of it or a definition of it which is accepted by the wargaming or table-top gaming community globally.
Well, to put it simply it was just a lowering of my normal standard, quicker brushstrokes etc. In the end i sold the unit as i was not happy with it.

There is obviously no concise definition, it's what you want it to be. In my case it's just done faster and with less care. Still quite high quality I would think.....

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