British Colours at Culloden

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British Colours at Culloden

Post by Cameronian » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:19 am

I seem to have got myself somewhat stuck on this one. As far as I understand it, Warrants (more like guidelines) regulating the numbers and appearance of the colours of the marching regiments were issued in 1742, '43 and '47 with the enforced Warrant in 1751, which appears to roll up all the previous ones.

So in the majority opinion is it better to use the 1751 patterns or use the earlier patterns which used the Colonel's livery?

Alternatively to pick and mix, some old patterns and some new ones as regiments had colours replaced for one reason or another?

The best illustration is Barrell's (4th), whose colours carried at Culloden certainly did not match the 1751 Warrant, so presumably none of the earlier issues either.

Apologies if this has been debated ad nauseam on the forum before.

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Re: British Colours at Culloden

Post by Churchill » Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:37 pm

Ray.
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Post by Cameronian » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:56 pm

Thanks Ray, more or less how I saw it myself. Convinced now it's the way to go.

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Post by yar68 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:06 am

I'll be very interested with what you come up with George.
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Re: British Colours at Culloden

Post by Cameronian » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:12 pm

Disclaimer: The following is in no way intended to be an accurate representation of any colour carried by any regiment of the British Army at any time; merely my own imaginings.

Loudon's Highlanders:
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Raised by John Campbell, 4th Earl of Loudoun, at Culloden commanded by Lt. Col.John Campbell, 5th Duke of Argyll.
King's Colour, the Great Union unadorned. Choice of regimental colours, first is a plain Campbell of Loudon. As the regiment was only raised in 1745, decided to have the choice of another following more the guidelines which ended up incorporated in the Warrant of 1751. The emblem is the Thistle Garter containing the Royal Cypher of George II, surmounted by the crown (used the one which came with the cypher for simplicity). There seems to be some disagreement as to the facing colours of Loudon's; a portrait of 1747 shows Loudon in buff, Millan in his list of 1745 says white. So Buff or white Regimental Colour, personal choice prevails.

Barrell's:
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The easy one.

The "Old Buffs":
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In 1744 the Regiment was then under the command of Lieutenant-General Thomas Howard, the 2nd Earl of Effingham. The Regiment was commanded at Culloden by another Howard. So, I've used the crest from the Effingham Achievement of Arms as the colour badge. The small size of the badge on the King's Colour is deliberate as it seems that when artists illustrated colours at this time, they deliberately exaggerated the size of the badges to aid identification. Hence on Barrell's, the badges are usually shown huge.

Sackville's:
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Commanded at Culloden by George Germain, 1st Viscount Sackville, the badge is the crest from the Sackville Achievement of Arms.

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Re: British Colours at Culloden

Post by yar68 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:10 pm

Wow, they look excellent! 8)
I painted every regt for Culloden many moons ago and just used 7YW flags because I hadn't a clue what to use for the British, I'll have great pleasure now telling my pal Postie who now owns them all that all the flags are wrong and he needs to change them, he he!
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Re: British Colours at Culloden

Post by Cameronian » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:20 pm

Cheers Ray. I don't think I'd go as far as tell your mate that they're all wrong. SYW will look the part anyway; besides, who would really know the difference if the different colours were presented in a 'blind' tasting?
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