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Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Churchill » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:33 am

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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Timmagh » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:35 am

G'day Ray,

Do you have the disks from Robert Hall and Claus-Peter Goldberg?
I thought I'd ask before doing the research.

I have, among a few:
Uniforms and Flags of the Army of Hesse-Kassel by Robert Hall and Deutsche Staaten II by Claus-Peter Goldberg which includes Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle and Hanover.

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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Churchill » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:07 pm

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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Sheepman » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:15 pm

Ray,
I've cut and pasted this from a previous post so don't think your going mad if you've read it before!
Uniform and flag sources, I have access to all of August Kuhn's plates, unfortunately getting them is like finding rocky horse poo.
Also I obtained (Heft 16) Hessen-Kassel 1701 - 1714 by Claus-Peter Goldberg & Jean Belaubre copyright 1995.
My son speaks fluent German, I'm a Northumbrian so hardly speak English. :wink:
I also have all of the other ones covering the German states of this period. Try to get hold of these they are very good and worth having.
As another poster on this forum says, secondary sources, but frankly who has the time to dig out the originals.
The flags are for the most part as accurate as I can get then for 1704 (they changed later in the war) but even given the above sources some are my guestimates!
I have seen Hessen-Kassel troops beautifully painted on here before with flags seemingly based on the later Seven Years War flag of the state, they may or may not be accurate, you pays your money and takes your chance. :roll:
Check out the blog http://thenorthumbrianwargamer.blogspot.com/, keep looking in, I won't just be concentrating on WSS.
Here are some 10mm pics:
Prinz Wilhelm (Old Glory):
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Watensleben:
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And the whole Major General Wilkes Hessen Kassel contingent present with Cutts' assault column, Grenadiers to the rear:
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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Churchill » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:48 pm

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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by maciek » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:43 am

You can find info about Hessians here:
http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/salmo ... sewss.html
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Post by Sheepman » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:03 pm

Yes Maciek I've seen this site and the drawings are of Kuhn's plates.
Is it ok for these to be placed on the internet? Maybe whoever did it had permission.
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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by maciek » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:03 pm

Well, IMO they are better than these linked by Churchill (at waroffice site) as the later seem to be taken straight from Hall's new CD, while the Kuhn book is very old and no longer commercially available.
BTW, for me Kuhn flags are also better as they are based on trophies won by French at Speyerbach and Castiglione, while the origin of "new" Hessian flags in Hall CD is unknown to me (it is one of two WSS CDs I didn't buy).

Generally, I'm against publicly breaking copyright law in the internet, but one could ask where is the limit - seeing your (beautiful) Hessians I get the knowledge included on Hall's CD, so I don't need it anymore :wink: . This way you also stripped Mr Hall of some income. :)

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No offense, Sheepman. I was kidding :)
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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Sheepman » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:43 am

None taken at all Maciek, personally (and I mean personally) though Hall's books are really spectacular to look at, and in the majority of cases accurate as I know he did use Kuhn as well as others, where there is variation between Kuhn and Hall I myself would go with Kuhn every time as he used as close to original sources as you can get.
My flag info in particular comes from Kuhn's plates, the few. he dosn't give info on, I have made up! but even then it's been educated guesswork. The info just ain't there any more.
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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Churchill » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:55 pm

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Post by Sheepman » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:20 pm

Exactly Ray who knows, you pays your money and takes your chance. Halls is a great resource but like any research take nothing for granted. If you have the time (and I quite understand that many people don't) find out the sources for the book, website or whatever and look at them, then look again. Some people aren't bothered about getting their research absolutely perfect, and even then I wouldn't knock them for that, whatever rocks your boat :)
One guy who came on this site pointed this out but did it in a very abrasive manor, I don't think we need to go there again.
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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by Churchill » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:33 pm

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Re: Hesse-Kassel, Luneburg-Celle & Calenberg-Hanover

Post by CoffinDodger » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:35 pm

Churchill wrote: No...for the colonel's flag, I looked up family crests and put them on the same colour field as the facing colour.
For the regimental flag it was mainly the Cross of St.George, but not always on a field of white, again sometimes using the facing colour.
There are no flag's left from that time, so who's to argue...
That's the way to go, Ray. I haven't seen one of your figures that doesn't look the genuine article. If we had to wait for firm information, we would never field a unit.

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