Help please- GRAND MANNER

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Help please- GRAND MANNER

Post by barr7430 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:49 pm

Chaps,

basing up some French infantry for someone. What is the standard base size and consequently unit size for using with the Grand Manner rules

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Post by theoldschool » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:21 pm

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You don't say whether it is 28mm or 15mm. For 28s the frontage per figure is 15mm. A stand is 40 mm deep in two ranks.

French are 36 figure battalions for line (6 stands of 6 figures) although I have seen them in 32 figure battalions (4 stands of eight).
The convention for 'Gilder' style units is to have a mounted colonel in the unit with part of the stand extending out in a sort of squared off triangle.

Young guard are 32 or 36 figures. Old Guard are 32 or 40 figures.

For 15mm the frontage is 9mm and the depth is 24mm in two ranks.

Hope this helps, let me know if you need any more info.

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Post by barr7430 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:46 am

As always Pat... a Mine of Info :D .. I have already followed your advice, bought my pallet knife and tile grout and the basing has commenced :wink:
Also now have my camera back from repair so piccies soon!
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Post by theoldschool » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:59 pm

I am really looking forward to seeing what you do with the style
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Post by kiwipeterh » Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:40 am

At the risk of subverting the thread (which has hopefully fulfilled it's reason for being already :lol:) I'm interested in the use of tile grout on bases.

I used to use coloured tile grout and found it wonderful to work with ... but ... found that it had a disconcerting habit of cracking and leaving company with the base! :( This could have been because my bases back then were just a little flexible. I now use the 3mm Litko plywood bases so flexing should not be an issue anymore.

Any thoughts?

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Post by barr7430 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:33 am

Subverting the thread Peter??? I think not! Pat and I spent about 30 seconds talking about the Grand Manner and about an hour talking about tile grout last time we met!!!

Anyway the main thing is this.... I have finally been lured in to the Napoleonic den of vice!!! Obviously all the GROOMING taking place on this forum and elsewhere... ah well, I suppose it had to happen eventually :shock:
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Post by kiwipeterh » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:30 am

Welcome to the den Barry. And apparently a little bit of vice can be quite enjoyable!! :shock:

Can I take it that you've never had grout cracking and dropping off bases potentially because of flexing bases syndrome? :lol:

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Post by barr7430 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:03 am

This grout is hardly dry yet!! :oops:

Pat may have some tales of 'grout rot' 8)

I try and avoid flexible bases now anyway.. something to do with my middleaged lack of flexibility generally :wink:
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Post by theoldschool » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:14 pm

I have never had any problems. Then again I don't use flexible bases.
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Post by sharnydubs » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:35 am

I use Polyfilla on Litko bases and have never had any problems.

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Post by kiwipeterh » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:16 am

Thank you Gentlemen

I no longer use flexible bases (they only used to flex a little ... but it was a definite flex! :wink: ) The whole flexing thing was aggravated by my conversion to magnetising my bases where the act of removing the bases from storage encouraged the alleged flexing. :o

I have used Polyfilla, but found it not as nice to work with as the grout. Just my opinion. I know of others that use it quite happily. The grout was great for sculpting the base.

I'm currently back to concocting a brew of PVA (white wood glue), a sawdust based flock and various small texturing stones. It's ok, but there's always the worrying rumours of the PVA eating into the metal! :shock: Not that I, or any of my accomplices having noticed it as yet. :)

I might give the grout another go on my sturdy non flexing litko bases. If only I hadn't thrown out the precoloured brown grout!! :roll:

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Post by Liam A of E » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:25 am

Having tried grout/polyfilla/textured wall paint, I became quite a fan of PVA/water with sand added. However, I have now become a basetex acolyte, its fine and fast and you can add cork bits and such - I still use polyfilla or putty for the odd bit of terrain sculpting (pools, cannonball grooves). Then good old static grass.

I do have doubts about the biological activity of the contents of Basetx if you leave it in the sun for too long.......

I guess each to their own - however, having seen Barrys bases in the flesh, they are very good indeed. Once I get my boys painted I tend to become very impatient...........
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Post by barr7430 » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:43 pm

Forgive the memory Liam... where di we meet :oops:
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Post by jimmigoggles » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:23 pm

Can i just put my oar in?

I have painted and based many units for The SODS club in Birmingham who do Napoleonic Grand Manner battles.

Instead of putting the mounted officer sticking out from the front, you could push him back and take out the rear rank man.
The horse fits nicely on the base and the base fits nicely in a box!

If anyone is interested in playing large scale Napoleonic battles using Gilders Grand Manner rules then they are welcome to pop around to the SODS club premises in Birmingham, UK.
They have rented premises which are available 24/7.
So you can leave that game and come back to it later!
See how the tide can turn in a different session!

Apologies to Barry for this shameless plug for the club, but you was invited years ago!
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Post by barr7430 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:33 pm

I might just come now as I seem to spend half of my life living in a hotel in Acock's Green :roll:
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