bonnet wearing infantery in ireland?? 1690s

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bonnet wearing infantery in ireland?? 1690s

Post by cantbeatdavy » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:54 pm

hi all
having recently bought some of the Scottish foot from Vexillias - Louis wars range.did any regiments wearing the bonnet fight for either James or William??
any help would be good
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Post by Russian James » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:40 pm

Not sure about Ireland, but the Royal Regiment of Scots Dragoons (Grey Dragoons, later Scots Greys) wore Scots blue bonnets at least until 1685.

I know it's a bit early, but I'll be modelling mine in grey coats, blue bonnets and assorted horse colours...
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Post by cantbeatdavy » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:44 pm

i could possibly use them as dragoons??
what about "proper" foot regiments??any takers??
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Post by yar68 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:26 pm

I don't recall any Irish wearing bonnets, but you could use them for the Williamite regts that fought at Killikrankie. I'm sure I read that one of the units wore Hodden grey coats with bonnets??
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Post by simon boulton » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:21 am

I seem to recall that Antrims regiment included a number of scots in its ranks so with a bit of artistic license they could be wearing bonnets.
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Post by barr7430 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:49 am

Interesting point that Simon and I had previously had discussion with some Irish friends about the Scots connection to Antrim's. I think it COULD be a bit of a misunderstanding. Yes Antrim's were known as the Redshanks but according to my source that was just a legacy nickname for people hailing from that part of the country for historical reasons and the Scots connection. Rather in the way that a Liverpudlian is a Scouser or someone from the Tyne area is a Geordie. So, not Scots but of Scots ancestry. Let's wait for the avalanche from Ulster! :lol:
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Post by wellington » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:04 pm

The Caubeen an irish 'beret' similar to the Scotish bonnet and is worn today by the Royal Irish Regiment. Caubeen translates from irish as 'old hat' and has a history going a long way back. The only illustration of Owen Roe O'Neill from th 1600's shows him wearing a caubeen.
It was probably a simple rural headdress practical and cheap. I know of no illustration of a soldier of the period wearing one but if your army is 'on campaign' I think you can make a strong case for irish raised troops wearing such an item.

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Post by simon boulton » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:31 pm

Will have to try and find the reference again but I seem to recall it referred to Scotsman being recruited straight off the boat
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Post by cantbeatdavy » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:52 pm

hi all
ok thats all interesting.i am not keen in moving out of the irish campaigns,so dont want to migrate into mainland.its a pity i cant get these boys on an irish battleground.
maybe something might come up.
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Post by Blucher » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:39 pm

There is a drawing/picture I've seen that has 'Antrim's' being stoned by the apprentice boys, outside the walls/gates of Derry - it has the Redshanks in predominantly 'bonnets'.....



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Post by cantbeatdavy » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:24 am

ok
thats two fairly good references for the boys to see a bit of action.
do you have any websites that shows these??
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Post by cantbeatdavy » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:29 am

i may not have much of a choice as i cant get anymore venexia ,not being produced as yet by the new US owners.
and theres not many figs out there that match them style wise.
all help gratefully accepted.
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Post by Blucher » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:07 pm

The 'picture' of them in bonnets is in 'The Siege of Derry' book by Richard Doherty (damn fine read/info) - ....recommended....


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Post by Rebel » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:09 pm

But inaccurate images
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Post by Blucher » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:56 am

'Rebel'....why do you think the images/picture is inaccurate?



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