Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

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Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by MNFS » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:53 pm

Hi There,

Does anyone know the uniform and flags of the English Royal Fusiliers for the LoA period?

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:24 pm

red coat yellow lace trim grey breeches grey stockings yellow buttons colonels colours white trophy of arms ,stags head and shields all gold
lt colonels colour st George cross, gold trophy of arms
majors colour same as lt colonels colour,but red pile wavy in top left corner
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:28 pm

theres an illustration of the colours in mark allens article in wargames illustrated no 128. but I think they may be from james the seconds reign
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by MNFS » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:17 pm

Thanks very much Turrabear. Are the facings light grey/white as well?

Is this an image of them fighting Montachel's regiment in the LoA blog?

http://leagueofaugsburg.blogspot.co.uk/ ... iment.html

Thanks again!

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:48 pm

that's is the flags you are looking for . good illustration of it in the copy of wargames illustrated I mentioned. also in saphersons army of William III. i'm afraid that it only says grey for the breeches and stockings . i'll have a look at the mark allen article and getback to you.
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by MNFS » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:36 pm

Thanks Turrabear.

There is also a good picture of the flag on a cigarette pack -

http://www.londoncigcard.co.uk/product.php?id=2753

It looks like the cuffs in the other picture are gold and the facings are white.

Look forward to you getting back to me.

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:47 pm

hi mark had a look at the mark allen article which has a drawing of the royal fusiliers uniform . the breeches and stockings look a light grey colour to me. the aritical is in wargames illustrates no 125 nine year war british uniforms ..
also checked Charles stewart grants from pike to shot it has the following for uniform coat red ,liningand cuff's yellow breeches grey stockings grey or black. all wore grenadier hats yellow with red bag. grenadiers wore white lace (14 bars)on chest,pockets and cuffs, officers had hats ,edged with gold with white fur.
neither allen or sapherson mention the grenadiers wearing white lace . there is a goodcolour drawing of the fusilier cap in the mark allen article in wargames illustrated no 125
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:49 pm

MNFS wrote:Thanks Turrabear.

There is also a good picture of the flag on a cigarette pack -

http://www.londoncigcard.co.uk/product.php?id=2753

It looks like the cuffs in the other picture are gold and the facings are white.

Look forward to you getting back to me.

Many Thanks,

Mark
that's the majors flag in the cigarette pack .
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by MNFS » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:50 pm

major cigarette! was he the officer?

Where the Fusilier's an elite unit like the guards, or a standard line infantry regiment?

Does anyone know how to get a copy of the WI in question?

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by Bitbag » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:35 pm

Hi Mark

The best way to get hold of a copy for yourself is to contact the Wargames Illustrated office in Nottingham, (even easier if you're in the UK?), and ask them if they have a copy of the Mark Allen articles collection CD.

Some months back, a nice chap ( I sadly forget who!! :oops: )posted a question on here and on the The Miniatures Page (TMP) asking how many people would be interested in having a copy, and quite a few people did. He contacted WI directly, and asked them if they could put all the articles on CD-ROM format, which they did, for I think about £20. They might have some left over.

As I live about 45 mins drive away, I popped over to their Nottingham office after a phone chat with them, and picked a copy up. Although some of the information is dated, it's a very good place to start, and to be honest, along with joining this forum, it was the 'thing' that kickstarted my interest in this period..... well that, and the 'Beneath the Lily Banners' rules, and the warm welcome, and the beautiful armies, and the amazing demonstration games at shows, and...... :wink:

Contact WI, and see if they have any more copies; if they're unsure about what you mean, explain a bit more and they'll get your drift!! There's good basic info in the articles about French, 'British' - ie. English and Scots, and Allied uniforms and Standards, kit, regiments, etc. Some bits are slightly inaccurate, but it's a good 'primer'.

Hope this helps. I'll root around and see if there's anything else to add about the Fusiliers, from the articles I've got.

Best wishes
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by turrabear » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:51 pm

MNFS wrote:major cigarette! was he the officer?

Where the Fusilier's an elite unit like the guards, or a standard line infantry regiment?

Does anyone know how to get a copy of the WI in question?

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Mark
pm me mark . I have the issues in question could try and scan them for you.
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by Bitbag » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:08 pm

That'd be easier!! :)
I'm technically a bit of a Luddite, or else I would have offered the same!!!! :?

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by Bitbag » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:39 pm

Hi

Info from one of the Mark Allen plates:

Royal Regiment of Fuzileers
Red coats
Yellow Cuffs, and waistcoats
Grey Breeches and hose
Brown/buff Cartridge 'Belly Box'/Buff belt
Fuzileers 'Cap'
Brass buttons

Formed 1685 (Later 7th Foot)
Colonels: 11/06/85 George Legg, 1st Lord Dartmouth
26/08/98 John, Lord Churchill (later 1st Duke of Marlborough)
23/01/93 Lord George Hamilton
?01/08/93 Edward Fitzpatrick
12/11/96 Sir Charles O'Hara

Some sources show coats laced in white. All rankers and NCOs wear caps. Officers wear gold lace.

Details from Cecil CP Lawson 'A History of The Uniforms of the British Army' (p76)

7th Royal Regiment of Fuzileers
1686 red lined yellow, grey breeches and stockings, brass buttons
1689 Tillroy Camp, "Fuzileers red lined yellow."
1702-3 A deserter "red lined blue."

Hope this helps!!! :) Apologies if anything is slightly off - details directly from the sources!!

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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by Ben Waterhouse » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:28 am

I'm just waiting for Clarence to do a flag sheet for the Elegant Extracts... :wink:
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Re: Royal Fusiliers in the 1690's

Post by MNFS » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:46 pm

thanks all for the feedback!
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