English army 1690s 1700s

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English army 1690s 1700s

Post by lee sherman » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:56 pm

Hello
When did the English army disband its pike companies and when was the tricorne introduced to the English army? Just wondering as I see different manufactures making miniatures in wide brimmed hats eg northstar/warfare and ebor tricorne

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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by barr7430 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:05 am

Wow Lee! you've stepped into the minefield here! :shock: :lol:
The two thermonuclear questions in a single post... you are obviously a man who likes to live on the edge..........

These two questions have probably caused more 'discussion' on these boards than any others.

Pikes.. well, some say there is evidence that some English regiments continued to carry them perhaps even as late as 1707 in Spain.
A tricorne is just a wide brimmed hat pinned up on 3 sides. Pinning up
no side
one side
two sides
three sides

seems to have been a matter of fashion even into the 'tricorne' period. Illustrations both contemporary and modern often show a mix of hat styles.
There appears to be some evidence that tricorne shapes were worn in the 1680s.Equally there is evidence that broad brimmed hats were worn after 1710.
A -, battered tricorne reverts often to being a broad brimmed hat so, you must nail your colours to the mast of your choosing. I personally would not be fussed about tricornes or broad brimmed hats. Geometric tricornes are i think not very realistic nor are the extremely deep ones. I am sure there will be several 'incoming' rounds to follow... helmets... ON!
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by obriendavid » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:23 pm

lee sherman wrote:Hello
When did the English army disband its pike companies and when was the tricorne introduced to the English army? Just wondering as I see different manufactures making miniatures in wide brimmed hats eg northstar/warfare and ebor tricorne Lee
Depends how bad the pike rot was and how soggy your tricorne was :wink:
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by j1mwallace » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:29 am

I am saying nowt (for a change!)
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by Ben Waterhouse » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:57 am

Mass intake of breath... :D
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by barr7430 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:57 am

Lee, I know this is a genuine enquiry as I think you have bought some Warfare minis before(thanks for that!) otherwise I might have thought you were sock-puppeting for some pantomime characters in the ongoing Christmas Panto Jamboree called Pike my Tricorne!
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by Ronan the Librarian » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:00 am

barr7430 wrote:.....pantomime characters in the ongoing Christmas Panto Jamboree called Pike my Tricorne!
There's actually a Rabbi Burns song, supposedly written by him in 1792 but probably based on another dating back to the 1680s, called "Johnie Lad, Co ck Up Your Beaver" referring to the round/floppy/slouch/tricorne hat.

No, seriously -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/----_Up_Your_Beaver
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by Friedrich August I. » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:24 am

That title calls for desaster :D :wink:

But I see Ronan has found a way around the adult filter :twisted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caq63ZHO0Og

Apologies for Highjacking your thread

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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by obriendavid » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:49 pm

Ronan the Librarian wrote:
barr7430 wrote:.....pantomime characters in the ongoing Christmas Panto Jamboree called Pike my Tricorne!
There's actually a Rabbi Burns song, supposedly written by him in 1792 but probably based on another dating back to the 1680s, called "Johnie Lad, Co ck Up Your Beaver"
Love the title, this could make the Burns Nights next year very interesting.
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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by j1mwallace » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:58 pm

Wee e missing chaps. Rabbi burns must be Scotland's bard's Jewish uncle.?
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Post by barr7430 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:28 pm

Oy, Oy, Oy... Jaime Vallis moy boy!
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Foot guards 1600s

Post by lee sherman » Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:25 pm

Hi

The uniforms of the 1st foot guards are 1st Battalion and 2nd Battalion Blue cuffs breaches and stockings and blue ribbons

The guards described as having blue cuffs and red breaches and stockings blue ribbons are the Coldstream guards??? Or green cuffs stockings and ribbons??

Hat Lace and button colours for the guards what are these??

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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by Churchill » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:33 pm

Hi Lee,

I've got the Foot Guards for the WSS and your correct Scarlet Red coats with Royal Blue facings and breeches, White stockings over which were worn White gaiter's on campaign to protect the White stockings.

The Coldstream Guards were known as Monck's Regiment of Foot between 1650 until 1670 when they had Green facings then after Royal Blue facings.

Below is a picture of the Foot Guards on campaign, but it's after 1707 as the flag they are carrying is the St.George cross over the cross of St.Andrew to form the Union flag.

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Further below is a photo of my Foot Guards command by Lt.Colonel Henry Withers during the Battle of Blenheim in 1704.

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You will notice here that the flags are pre 1707 and so before the union between England and Scotland; Ireland wouldn't join the union until 1801.

Hope this is of some help,

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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by lee sherman » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:15 pm

Very nice painting Ray!! The figures I'm painting are probably a little earlier than yours league of augsburg 1690s.. I believe the WSS was just a continuation after a very short peace 4 or 5 years??, Louis XIV sure did like causing a lot of trouble and war throughout his reign :-).. 1704 is that Queen Anne reign?? So the royal cypher on your flag would be AR? I can see the R only on your picture

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Re: English army 1690s 1700s

Post by Churchill » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:46 pm

Lee, you are correct Queen Anne reigned during the War of Spanish Succession and so the royal cypher would be "AR".
Here's a better view from this photo taken by Barry Hilton during one of his weekend's in Fife.
These weren't painted by me, but by "Me Paints Good" a U.S. forum member and then sold onto me many years ago.

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28mm Front Rank miniatures and home made flag's I think :wink:

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